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May 6, 1998

From: ar-talk@xc.org ("Francis J. Beckwith")
Date: Wed, 6 May 98 22:27:44 -0700
Subject: AR-talk Need JW help for fellow in Washington

Originally from: "Francis J. Beckwith" <beckwith@tiu.edu>
Originally dated: Wed, 6 May 98 22:27:44 -0700

I received this from a fellow who found my email address. I can't help
him. Perhaps somebody on this list can. His email address is:
brianhall@integrityol.com Thanks.

Frank
>
>I live in Everett Washington, and I have a friend who just recently
>accepted the Lord, and comes from a Jehovah's Witness background. He is 18
>years old, still living at home, and has yet to finish high school,
>therefore, for now, I'm trying to be as less confrontational with his
>mother as possible. Is there a local ministry of former Jehovah's
>Witnesses that I can get in contact to help my friend.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brian Hall
>"Now unto Him who is able to do exceedingly and abundantly above all that
>we ask or think, according to the power that is at work in us."
>Ephesians 3:20

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From: ar-talk@xc.org (Jeff Downs)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 7:50:00 -0500
Subject: AR-talk FWD: sbohlin@probe.org (Sue Bohlin): Probe-Alert ++ May 5, 1998

Originally from: Jeff Downs <jdowns@lbc.edu>
Originally dated: Thu, 7 May 1998 7:50:00 -0500

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From: ar-talk@xc.org (Daniel Eaton)
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:10:13 -0400
Subject: AR-talk Joseph Farah - "The war on Christianity"

Originally from: ACAP@xc.org (Daniel Eaton)
Originally dated: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:10:13 -0400

[...]

Check out this article...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/btlines/980507.btl.war.on.christianity.html

[...]

"Provocative daily column by WorldNetDaily editor, Joseph Farah"

The war on Christianity

[...]

Thursday, May 7, 1998

[...]

The war on Christianity

[...]

A new show headed for Broadway this fall features a "Christ-like
character" named Joshua who has sex with his apostles.
Written by three-time Tony Award-winner Terrence McNally, the play
borrows dialogue from the Bible. In one scene, Pontius Pilate addresses
Joshua: "Art thou king of the queers?"
"Thou sayest," Joshua answers.
It's not just the "artistic community" that regularly resorts to
blasphemy and profanity for cheap thrills. The war against orthodox
Christian beliefs is being waged in every modern political and cultural
institution, including the church itself.
Last week, another apostate Lutheran priest -- this time in Finland --
made news for declaring that hell does not exist and that everyone will
wind up in heaven.
"It's an entirely false construct," explains Rev. Antti Kylliainen, a
Helsinki cleric and author. "Fire, brimstone and eternal torment --
they're all part of the same sad myth."
A colleague of Kylliainen, Rev. Olli Arola, told a newspaper last week
that Jesus Christ was "in all probability" married to Mary Magdalene and
that the immaculate conception and virgin birth were "highly unlikely
ever to have happened."
With leaders like this, is it any wonder only 15 percent of Finns
regularly attend church?
Over in Hollywood, Disney Chairman Michael Eisner recently gave two
speeches in which he compared Southern Baptists with Germany's Nazis.
Eisner said the denomination's vote to evangelize Jews "was something
that hasn't been recommended since the '40s in Europe." Eisner's
interest in the theological debates within the Southern Baptists' ranks
just happens to coincide with a decision by America's largest Protestant
denomination to boycott Disney.
Meanwhile, the U.S. Catholic League condemned a Fox television show,
"Mad TV," which last week featured a skit including a priest, referred
to by a sacrilegious name who was shown groping women. There was no
relief over at CBS Television, either. The network withdrew an offer of
employment to outspoken Christian football star Reggie White for his
criticism of homosexual behavior.
But perhaps the worst recent anti-Christian outrages came right from the
White House. Adviser Sidney Blumenthal accused Independent Counsel
Kenneth Starr's top deputy, Hickman Ewing, of being a "religious
fanatic." Ewing is reportedly an evangelical Christian. Compounding the
slur, President Clinton, given the opportunity to repudiate Blumenthal's
comments at his press conference last week, refused to do so.
Earlier, Clinton adviser James Carville ridiculed Starr himself for his
religious beliefs.
"He goes down by the Potomac and listens to hymns, as the cleansing
water of the Potomac goes by, and we're going to wash all the Sodomites
and fornicators out of town," Carville cackled.
What Carville and Blumenthal are alluding to is simply the fact that
Starr and Hickman attend church on a regular basis. For that "sin," they
are perceived as fanatics, extremists, zealots. The invectives tell much
more about the people hurling them than they do about the victims of
this kind of hatred.
Ultimately, a playwright is accountable to the general public. Frankly,
I hope the audience throws tomatoes at Terrence McNally and his cast
when their show opens on Broadway.
And those Lutheran clerics? They should be defrocked and
disfellowshipped by their congregations.
Disney, Fox and CBS deserve to see their ratings and market shares
plummet. They invite boycotts with their contempt for the values and
spiritual beliefs of the vast majority of the general public.
But what about Blumenthal, Carville and their pious, Bible-toting,
church-going boss?
Well, what should the public expect of a leader who has done his level
best to degrade the moral and spiritual foundation of the nation? In
another administration, bigoted remarks like those made by Blumenthal
and Carville would result in firings, resignations or, at least,
groveling apologies.
This president refused to acknowledge anything was wrong with those
remarks -- even in an age when Christians are facing increased
persecution around the world as well as in our own culture. In effect,
President Clinton has given his blessing to religious bigotry.
He's done it in other ways, too. It's no coincidence that religious
broadcasters are facing Internal Revenue Service audits at a record pace
since this administration took office. Bible-believing Christians are
perceived by the White House as the enemy.
And, do you know what? Any Bible-believing Christian ought to be proud
to be considered an enemy of the Clinton administration -- as well as
their friends in Hollywood, on Broadway and in the apostate church.

[...]

Farah is editor of the Internet newspaper WorldNetDaily.com and executive
director of the Western Journalism Center, an independent group of investigative
reporters.

[...]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ads/this_land/this_land_page.html

[...]

"... Leads the charge over the Potomac and back to America."

[...]

- --Rush Limbaugh

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From: ar-talk@xc.org (Rich Poll)
Date: Thu, 7 May 98 10:57:39 -0000
Subject: AR-talk Fwd: Mormon-Index: BoM Linguistics list

Originally from: Rich Poll <apologia@xc.org>
Originally dated: Thu, 7 May 98 10:57:39 -0000

Now some of this is a trip...

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From: ar-talk@xc.org (Larry Ingram)
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 15:45:32 -0700
Subject: AR-talk Re: Letter from Dr. BeDuhn

Originally from: Larry Ingram <larrying@sprynet.com>
Originally dated: Thu, 07 May 1998 15:45:32 -0700

This is some "older" information that may have not been posted here in
January.

Larry

Dean Welsh wrote:
>
> I received the attached letter below from Dr. BeDuhn. It was hand-written
> to me. So, any thoughts that you have about its contents - please direct
> them to me and I'll get them to him. In it, he does request copies of
> reviews from Bible scholars about the NWT -- so if anyone has any -- please
> get them to me so that I can get them to him.
>
> He also enclosed a copy of the letter that he sent to the WT in which the WT
> quoted him. I haven't transcribed it yet -- but when I do -- I will send it
> along also.
>
> >From my reading of his attached letter he doesn't seem to understand the
> importance of the WT adding the word "other" to the text of Col 1. And he
> stills holds to his belief that the NWT is a good translation . . .
> Amazing... Pride maybe???
>
> ***************************************
>
> Dear Mr. Welsh,
>
> Thank you for the information that you sent to me, including
> the photocopy of the "Watchtower" article in which I am
> quoted. The other photocopies are very interesting. I
> agree with you that the emphasis on "Jehovah's organization"
> puts too much authority in the institution, and makes people
> too vulnerable to the weaknesses of the fallible humans who
> lead that institution. A similar mistake has been made
> historically by several Christian denominations. At least
> in the case of the Witnesses, the strongest action the
> institution can take against a dissident is to disfellowship
> him or her. I also agree that the rhetoric about avoiding
> "independent thinking" is typical religious cowardice.
> Peoples' faith should be able to stand the test of
> reflection and knowledge of other opinions.
>
> But I must point out the early Christian leaders like Paul
> said much the same thing -- he was very jealous of his own
> authority and warned his followers about being too
> independent from the group. This is a weakness in Paul, for
> whatever good reason he might have indulged it, and it is
> something the Jehovah's Witnesses would be better off not
> imitating. To put all one's faith in "the organization" is
> clearly not what Jesus was all about.
>
> You also have a good point about the translation of
> Colossians 1:15-16. The NWT has modified this now, and does
> put [other] in brackets, as it should be. To even add
> "other" here is an unnecessary gloss. Of course, Paul
> doesn't mean to shay Christ created God, or that Christ
> created himself. It really is unnecessary to add the
> "other" to make that fact obvious. It scarcely seems worth
> arguing over, if you ask me.
>
> Now, turn to you letter, you say that the NWT "has been
> roundly condemned by all renowned Bible scholars." Whatever
> your source for this statement, it is wrong. For one thing,
> Bible scholars have almost completely ignored the WTBS
> publications. Secondly, most Bible scholars I know of are
> too busy with their own researches to publish reviews of
> Bible translations meant for the general public. Thirdly, I
> have checked into the existence of reviews of the NWT and
> found less than a half-dozen. Since there are over 7,000
> Bible scholars in North America alone, is seems that "all
> renowned Bible scholars" is a gross exaggeration.
>
> Now perhaps you can supply me with what my researches have
> failed to locate. I have found that Bruce Metzger reviewed
> in the 1960's. If you have a copy of that review from the
> "Bible Translator" 15/3, I would appreciate you sending it
> to me. It was also reviewed by John Mattingly in "Catholic
> Biblical Quarterly" vol. 13, 1951. Obviously, both these
> reviews concern the earlier edition. Other than those two
> reviews, I have only found the work of Countess, who seems
> to have made a career of criticizing the NWT. Of the names
> you gave me, only Bruce Metzger is a world renowned Bible
> scholar. (Mantey may be the author of a Greek grammar I am
> familiar with -- the others are unknown to me). I would
> certainly give anything Metzger says a second look. But of
> course he is the editor of the Revised Standard Version, and
> so any translation that differs from the RSV he is going to
> have objection to. I mean, otherwise the RSV would already
> read that way. So he has already thought through these
> options and decided against those not incorporated into the
> RSV. Most of his are good ones. But there is room for
> debate. Anyway, it is illegitimate for him to bring up the
> Jehovah's Witnesses "Arian Theology" when he assesses the
> NWT translation of Jn 1:1. Obviously the Arians were Bible-
> believing, earnest Christians who felt they could justify
> their views based on the Bible. The fact that later
> Catholic councils decided that the Arians were "heretics"
> has nothing to do with reading the Greek and establishing
> what the author could have meant hundreds of years before
> there were either Arians or Catholics. Since I don't have
> the whole text of Metzger's review, I cannot comment
> further.
>
> I have not written a review of the NWT, since it was never
> my intention to become involved publicly in these issues.
> The letter quoted in the "Watchtower" was a private letter,
> not a "letter to the editor" or anything I intended to have
> published. I suppose I am naive, and should have known that
> such a letter would be used the way it has been. So I am
> not going to fault "Watchtower" for it. I take full
> responsibility for my remarks, and despite a flood of
> letters, e-mail messages, and phone calls I have not heard
> anything to make me think I was mistaken in my opinion. Now
> that I see the complete "Watchtower" article, I think than
> enough of my letter was quoted that the reader can see the
> reasons I value the KIT. I enclose a copy of my original
> letter so that you can judge for yourself the accuracy of
> the quotes and the context in which they were made.
>
> Thank you for your inquiry, and for the polite manner in
> which you have discussed our differences.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jason BeDuhn
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From: ar-talk@xc.org (DAMIANXRAY)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:23:38 EDT
Subject: Re: AR-talk Fwd: Mormon-Index: BoM Linguistics list

Originally from: DAMIANXRAY <DAMIANXRAY@aol.com>
Originally dated: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:23:38 EDT

Whew. Talk about SPAM. I think the spiritual cholesterol level in each of our
hard drives is about to spike. I can just hear the RAM chips frying. I think I
heard that Hard Copy did an expose on spamming of one's computer: I understand
it isn't pretty.

I am sorry, Rich. I couldn't resist. Please absolve me of all blame.

agape

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From: ar-talk@xc.org (Douglasgro)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:56:41 EDT
Subject: AR-talk Re: Professor search

Originally from: Douglasgro <Douglasgro@aol.com>
Originally dated: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:56:41 EDT

Apologists:

Does anyone have an email or street address for a Professor Keven Giles who
teaches NT in Australia? We are looking for a book review he wrote on Rebecca
Merrill Groothuis's book, Good News for Women. Thank you.

Doug Groothuis
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From: ar-talk@xc.org (David.Green@dpws.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:10:17 +1000
Subject: Re: AR-talk Re: Professor search

Originally from: <David.Green@dpws.nsw.gov.au>
Originally dated: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:10:17 +1000

     Doug,
     If you have no results from elsewhere, let me know. The name is
     familiar and with a bit of digging I may be able to find out.
     Have you tried a 'people' search on the WWW? Some search engines
     facilitate this, FWIW.
     Regards,
     David Green
     Sydney Australia

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Author: ar-talk@xc.org at DPWS
Date: 07/5/98 11:56 PM

Originally from: Douglasgro <Douglasgro@aol.com>
Originally dated: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:56:41 EDT
Apologists:
Does anyone have an email or street address for a Professor Keven Giles who
teaches NT in Australia? We are looking for a book review he wrote on
Rebecca
Merrill Groothuis's book, Good News for Women. Thank you.
Doug Groothuis
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From: ar-talk@xc.org (Anton Hein)
Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 08:11:26 GMT
Subject: Re: AR-talk Re: Professor search

Originally from: ahein@xs4all.nl (Anton Hein)
Originally dated: Fri, 08 May 1998 08:11:26 GMT

On Thu, 7 May 1998 23:56:41 EDT, you, ar-talk@xc.org (Douglasgro), wrote:

>Does anyone have an email or street address for a Professor Keven Giles who
>teaches NT in Australia? We are looking for a book review he wrote on Rebecca
>Merrill Groothuis's book, Good News for Women. Thank you.

Could this be Kevin (instead of Keven) Giles? See:

http://www.gospelcom.net/ivpress/title/1868.html
http://www.gospelcom.net/ivpress/author/gilesk.html
Giles is an Anglican minister and consultant theologian for World Vision
Australia. He is the author of Patterns of Ministry Among the First
Christians (HarperCollins).

Giles is mentioned in the following article (as is Rebecca) from John
MacArthur's "Master's Seminary Journal":

The hermeneutis of Evangelical Feminism
http://www.mastersem.edu/journal/j5fel.htm
A group that best represents the position of evangelical feminism is
Christians for Biblical Equality, organized in the latter part of 1987. A
position paper`"Men, Women, and Biblical Equality`published in 1989 stated
the beliefs of this organization. The paper contained twelve "Biblical
Truths" and five points of "Application."[6] Groothuis expresses the goal of
this organization and of evangelical feminism well:

  The goal of evangelical feminism is that men and women be allowed to serve
  God as individuals, according to their own unique gifts rather than
  according to a culturally predetermined personality slot called "Christian
  manhood" or "Christian womanhood."[7]

The individuals primarily responsible for laying the foundation of
evangelical feminism are Nancy Hardesty, Letha Scanzoni, Paul Jewett,
Virginia Mollenkott, and Dorothy Pape. Prominent names currently associated
with the movement are Gilbert Bilezikian, Mary Evans, W. Ward Gasque, Kevin
Giles, Patricia Gundry, E. Margaret Howe, Gretchen Gaebelein Hull, Craig
Keener, Catherine Clark Kroeger and Richard Kroeger, Walter Liefield, Alvera
Mickelsen, David Scholer, Aida Besan_on Spencer, and Ruth Tucker.

You may be able to reach Kevin Giles through this site, which carries two of his
articles:

Evangelical Members within the Uniting Church
http://www.rebel.net.au:88/~emu/
email: mailto:emu@rebel.net.au.

The articles are:

http://www.rebel.net.au:88/~emu/giles.htm
A response to the 1996 "Interim Report on Sexuality" issued by the Assembly
Task Force of the Uniting Church in Australia by Kevin Giles

and

http://www.rebel.net.au:88/~emu/giles2.htm
A Response to the final report of the Assembly Task Force on Sexuality, July
1997, entitled "Uniting Sexuality and Faith", and to the "Report on the
Responses to the Interim Report on Sexuality", 1997. by Rev Dr Kevin Giles

This site says:

The Rev Dr Kevin Giles is an Anglican clergyman who has spent 27 years in
pastoral ministry. He has published six books and numerous popular and scholarly
articles. In 1995 he became a free lance lecturer and writer. He is married to
Lynley a marriage educator and counsellor. They have three married children and
one just finishing school.

Anton
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From: ar-talk@xc.org (Jeff Downs)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 8:42:00 -0500
Subject: AR-talk FYI: Conference, Science and Religion: Is There Common Ground?

Originally from: Jeff Downs <jdowns@lbc.edu>
Originally dated: Fri, 8 May 1998 8:42:00 -0500

Event Headline: Science and Religion: Is There Common Ground?
Event Date: 6/7/98 - 6/10/98
Event Location: Berkeley, CA 94709
Contact: Silas Deane
Phone: (615) 963-1307
For an e-mail address visit:
http://www.daybooknews.com/eventdetail.asp?EventLink=631

Description:

The Science and the Spiritual Quest Conference features over 30
scientists exploring dialouge between science and religion.
Must Science and religion be antagonistic? Do the two have similar
goals? Can Science prove the existence of God? How do scientific
discoveries impact religious beliefs?

Each of these questions will be addressed and debated at this
first-ever conference at the interface of these two important cultural
forces.

"I maintain that the cosmic religious feeling is the strongest and
noblest motive for scientific research." Albert Einstein.

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